Why do people think Oozaru Vegeta is 180,000?

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Why do people think Oozaru Vegeta is 180,000?
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TheACE	Oct 26 2014, 09:01 PM Post #31
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Makes "tsk" noise ... I'm calling you out Cell. Of course his ki "went down" because he used his stamina on the technique. Ki is a finite pool of energy, so using it would make it drop. Goku's jumps when he's projecting ki, and drops once he's done with it. That's just a mechanic of the energy (Wow that sounds weird, grammar anyone?) And Ki is dependant on the condition of your body. So while it could be reasonable to conclude that he wasn't at his best as an Oozaru, because his bodily state had improved with his transformation, it's also reasonable to conclude that his Ki improved too, hence a power level of 180,000. Besides what are you, a human scouter? What about his performance indicates he wasn't 180,000? In fact, what consistutes a 180,000 performance in general? The number is still arbitrary and unimportant, it could be a million and still ultimately not matter with the way the episode ended.
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SSJ	Oct 26 2014, 09:12 PM Post #32
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	He makes it clear that the moon ball would even weaken his Oozaru form, implying that Oozaru is directly linked to your current base power.



TheACE	Oct 26 2014, 09:17 PM Post #33
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Huh, well there is that. GOod find SS. Now to make it a big deal, which it isn't. Real question, why does it honestly matter? Again I put it to you, he could be 100,000, 180,000, 8,000,000, whatever it honestly doesn't make a bit of difference. ~~The Balls Are Inert~~ Vegeta was gonna get beat regardless, he got tougher later, and it all ends up being pretty irrelevant.
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Event Horizon	Oct 26 2014, 09:20 PM Post #34
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Who am I? I'm someone who uses manga statements when debating DBZ. And the manga suggests he wasn't full power. Vegeta's max power was 18.000. His power decreased when he used the Power Ball. He was lower than 18.000 when he transformed into Oozaru. What proof do you have that says he WAS at 180.000? Vegeta didn't even really want to use the Power Ball, since he flatout stated his power level would drop. But he had no choice.



TheACE	Oct 26 2014, 09:43 PM Post #35
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	This is true, but the mechanics of Blutz waves aren't entirely clear and his power is explicitly stated by Krillin to be contiously growing too http://www.mangahere.co/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c233/2.html So it is a distinct possibility that the continue to energize him as an Oozaru, so his power grows proportionately to how much they absorb, similar to how things went when Baby transformed using Bulma's machine. That and if we factor in Vegeta's ungodly durability (The fact that he tanked a Kamehameha wave with a level of over 32,000, compared to the Galic Gun of 24,000 that got completely obliterated) then even then his energy loss might not have been THAT much and was fairly easy to replenish. And logically Vegeta never intended to use the Moon in his battle, as it was designed for Razing planets and not one to one combat. http://www.mangahere.co/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c232/6.html That and my translation is more of a "May" than a "will." Besides, according to Vegeta once you hit the Blutz Wave limit, you hit the Blutz Wave limit. That's just it. http://www.mangahere.co/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c232/10.html But again, I state, it could be 100,000, 180,000, 40,000, it frankly doesn't matter, it's just an arbitrary number at this point.
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Event Horizon	Oct 26 2014, 10:00 PM Post #36
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Kuririn's statement was during Vegeta's transformation into an Oozaru. Goku confirmed that his power level dropped though. And Vegeta only stated that Oozaru increases one's power level 10 fold, nothing more, nothing less. But yeah, Oozaru Vegeta was still far stronger than Goku.



TheACE	Oct 26 2014, 10:15 PM Post #37
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Wait, let me... oh yeah that was two pages before. I must have gotten the page numbers mixed up :p, flipping through the Volume a little too quickly. Personally, given how comfortable (Relatively) Vegeta seemed after jumping off a beam that was roughly twice as strong as him, he was probably hurt but I don't think badly enough to impact the transformation enough. If I had to put a number to it I'd guess 160,000 ish? But you're right, strong is strong, doesn't matter at this point.
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Muyasuki	Oct 27 2014, 01:17 AM Post #38
Posts: 743 Group: Member Member #6,973 Joined: November 12, 2011	Its possible 180000 was his power but his speed and durability didn't proportionally increase and remained static.



* Ketchup Revenge	Oct 27 2014, 06:29 AM Post #39
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Pointer Oct 26 2014, 08:13 PM Orochimaru Oct 26 2014, 07:56 PM Don Alex Oct 26 2014, 07:02 PM Placing him at that level is fine. After getting a beating by Kaioken 3x Goku and eating a Kamehameha more powerfull than his own power level? I dont think he was at his full power after all that. Who proved that the Oozaru transformation doesnt works like ssj? Boost your energy to your max in base then multiply it with 10 SSj is a physical change, not just one in ki. It only seems logical that your physical condition in base carries over to your condition in SSj. People don't understand that ki and power level aren't the same thing. Someone who is physically fatigued or injured has a diminished power level, without having used that much ki at all. Que SSj3 Goku and 100% Freeza. Freeza's PL was stated to drop by Goku because he had burnt himself out. He didn't really seem to use that much ki during this time. Goku's PL had decreased due to being burnt out against Kid Boo. We see this shift over to his condition in base when he reverts from SSj3. Fat Boo's level is stated to decrease when he get's pounded by Kid Boo. We see Goku's condition in SSj be influenced by his condition in base when he uses SSj whilst under the effects of the heart virus. Piccolo pretty much right off the bat says that he's not his normal self, and that his power should've been "a lot more staggering". Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Oct 27 2014, 06:31 AM.
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+ Emmeth	Oct 27 2014, 08:40 AM Post #40
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Super Saiyan Oct 26 2014, 09:12 PM He makes it clear that the moon ball would even weaken his Oozaru form, implying that Oozaru is directly linked to your current base power. I might have completely misunderstood you, but doesn't he mean that creating the Power Ball will take away his some of his strength? Let's say he's still at 18,000 at the time, he would go down to 15,000 or maybe 12,000. I say that's fair though.
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* Yu Narukami	Oct 27 2014, 01:52 PM Post #41
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Considering that an exhausted, weakened Goku was able to outspeed him using Kaioken, he must've been really weak. Like, 6,000 - 8,000.



SSJ	Oct 27 2014, 04:12 PM Post #42
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Dr. Zoidberg Oct 27 2014, 08:40 AM Super Saiyan Oct 26 2014, 09:12 PM He makes it clear that the moon ball would even weaken his Oozaru form, implying that Oozaru is directly linked to your current base power. I might have completely misunderstood you, but doesn't he mean that creating the Power Ball will take away his some of his strength? Let's say he's still at 18,000 at the time, he would go down to 15,000 or maybe 12,000. I say that's fair though. We are on the same page



* Ketchup Revenge	Oct 27 2014, 07:29 PM Post #43
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Naked Snake Oct 27 2014, 01:52 PM Considering that an exhausted, weakened Goku was able to outspeed him using Kaioken, he must've been really weak. Like, 6,000 - 8,000. Speed isn't an indicator of power. This has been seen to be a consistent factor in the series. Vegeta's speed didn't seem to increase at all when he went Oozaru.
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* Yu Narukami	Oct 27 2014, 07:53 PM Post #44
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Ketchup Revenge Oct 27 2014, 07:29 PM Naked Snake Oct 27 2014, 01:52 PM Considering that an exhausted, weakened Goku was able to outspeed him using Kaioken, he must've been really weak. Like, 6,000 - 8,000. Speed isn't an indicator of power. This has been seen to be a consistent factor in the series. Vegeta's speed didn't seem to increase at all when he went Oozaru. Speed doesn't increase with the Oozaru transformation. If Vegeta was, say, 8000, he'd be 80,000 power-wise and 8000 speed-wise. Goku, using Kaioken, managed to outspeed Oozaru Vegeta. Goku (Weakened) : 3,000 (Kaioken x2) : 6,000 Vegeta : 5,000 (Oozaru) : 50,000 50,000 would still be a monstrous power.



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